The big boys are following suit.............

Post by **Byrdman** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 1:37 am

lex · Post by **lex** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:31 am

Interesting read, and always interesting to see what honda are up to - obviously putting feelers out for wider applications of this injection system. It seems as though diesel fuel/veg oil is not an option though

At one time when I read biofuel I thought of veg oil not ethanol etc, some petrol is even sold as biofuel if it has ethenol added!!!!
Good to see the old CG125 is still in production though - it is a good lightweight, I wonder if anyone has converted one to diesel yet?
Cheers

Lex

andrewaust · Post by **andrewaust** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:44 am

Interesting read, the bio fuels they talk about though is ethanol/alcohol based fuels.

Wonder if the big manufacturers will ever consider bio diesel or diesel bikes, the orchestrated global economic collapse will probably put many projects on hold.

A;)

Post by **Diesel Dave** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:20 pm

It's not a difficult conversion really is it.....

Bigger jets in the carb and if you can be bothered a higher compression ratio. If it's injection then just remap.

Only problem is going to be a much reduced tank range.

Dave

andrewaust · Post by **andrewaust** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:06 am

Exactly! I was thinking along the same lines, if Ethanol burns similar to Methanol, we ran our speedway solo's 2.4 times richer and ran the compression to 13 to 15:1.

There was also a downside, even thought the engine was perfectly clean internally, we had to run ester/caster type oil and the bore etc would wear very quickly due to the washing effect on the cylinder walls etc from the fuel.

Maybe Ethanol doesn't need to run that rich, they are talking about 80% ethanol coming here in OZ too, even at 10% it has been a real pain in the butt with some vehicles.

It also takes a hell of a lot of energy and water to produce Ethanol, surely something better is out there.

Oh yes, when running Methanol the carb became an icicle when idling for to long

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Wonderful stuff = not. Still have some in the garage, good for removing paint

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A little nitro mixed in with the Methanol sees you having good HP

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A;)

dieselbikin · Post by **dieselbikin** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:36 pm

I've read that methanol corrodes aluminum. Do modern fuels have corrosion inhibitors?

andrewaust · Post by **andrewaust** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:53 pm

I've read that methanol corrodes aluminum. Do modern fuels have corrosion inhibitors?

Not that I know of dieselbikin, Shell A "Don't even know if it's still available" had additives in the Methanol, making it a reddish color.

That raises a good question, I know when Methanol absorbs moisture it becomes acidic and might be the reason why it eats into aluminum etc I guess. Maybe Ethanol doesn't display such properties as it's the alcohol we drink in Beer, Wine and Spirits

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I've also heard that Biodiesel can be made from algae, now that has to be better then taking food off the table by producing fuel from corn and other eatable agriculture, for me it doesn't add up! What do you guys think?

A;)

coachgeo · Post by **coachgeo** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 3:07 pm

andrewaust wrote:....
I've also heard that Biodiesel can be made from algae, now that has to be better then taking food off the table by producing fuel from corn and other eatable agriculture, for me it doesn't add up! What do you guys think?

there are many oil producing crops in which one can end up with biodiesel. Only food crops were/are used because of the fast turn around time...... its there.... it exist...... If people will just shut up and let enough stuff make it to the market to be competitive the nature of business will push the producers off of food crops for fuel production and onto the non food plants (and algaes) cause they will be more profitable, The process is not there quiet yet to use these plants.

There is not enough demand for these companies to lay out the expense of learning the in's and out's of non food crop oil/bidiesel production. Create the demand thru 10-15yrs of food crop produced bio-fuels is just how it's got to be. Sticking Gov. controls in there to keep food crops out just lengthens the pain by slowing the process. you know.......RIPPPPPP the band aid off works better than slowly peeling it. Same thing. GET ER DONE.

Besides.... a change of farm subsidie's as they exist now would bring the food crop prices back down and that 10-15yr time span would barely be felt. Heck..... if the subsidies were never put in place.... most of this would have been figured out long ass time ago.... neccessity would have driven it to happen.

Stress breeds neccessity which breeds invention

you know.......RIPPPPPP the band aid off works better than slowly peeling it. Same thing. GET ER DONE.

DieselBike.net

The big boys are following suit.............

The big boys are following suit.............

big boys idea of biofuel!

Ethanol