new motorcycle under 836cc punsun v-twin diesel engine

[frank715]

Top speed with the auto box has been 72 mph (115 kph)

We have seen 120 mpg (51 kpl)

The below link is the picture

http://www.mgspower.com/eshowProDetail.asp?ProID=1528

Please kindly noted we only offer this v-twin diesel engine from China.

this motorcycle is developed by a portland buyers.

Any interest, please send email to frank715@gmail.com

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Why would MGS refer to their own motors as Punsun?

[thundercougarfalconbird]

I dont know why mgs calls them punsun, but frank715 is being very helpful with spare parts and information.
Thank you for that Frank

[roverthetop]

frank is referring to one of my builds. he is helpful with bits and bobs that get smashed in transit, as well as other information as he has it. i think mgs is simply a reseller though. punsun, winsun, whomeversun. frank speaks english which is one up on the factory i'd say. a helpful bloke indeed.

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His English is certainly way better than Winsun's guys. Also Winsun laughs at you when you mention "glowplugs" and "diesel" in the same sentence, so I guess their sales guys need to pass Diesel Technology 101 still.

[smokyjoe]

I'm on. Is there any chance of a few of us getting together from the US and maybe Canada and doing a group order of MGS/Punsun V-twins? It would certainly save on the shipping from China to the Americas, but someone would have to re-ship them once they have made it across the pond. How difficult is the EPA/U.S. Customs/ Canadian authorities thing to work out?

As you'd know it, unfortunately I don't have the money to buy one right now, but probably will by some time in September. I was planning to stretch the frame anyway, so I'll make room for the Punsun and swap the Hatz out once I can get a Punsun. The ol' Hatz can then reside in the garden tractor.

Too bad a Chinese company doesn't come up with a CVT drive similar to the Comet 500 or 94 that is lower in price. IMHO the Comet pieces are way overpriced and the cost to produce is low due to simple stamped construction, etc. Somebody oughta give these guys some competition.

[frank715]

Good idea, but it will come across a problem of trust between a buyer and others.

Secondly, when you decide to buy this engine, please inform us ahead of time, maybe we can ship your engine with a US buyer.

Thanks

Frank

I'm on. Is there any chance of a few of us getting together from the US and maybe Canada and doing a group order of MGS/Punsun V-twins? It would certainly save on the shipping from China to the Americas, but someone would have to re-ship them once they have made it across the pond. How difficult is the EPA/U.S. Customs/ Canadian authorities thing to work out?

As you'd know it, unfortunately I don't have the money to buy one right now, but probably will by some time in September. I was planning to stretch the frame anyway, so I'll make room for the Punsun and swap the Hatz out once I can get a Punsun. The ol' Hatz can then reside in the garden tractor.

Too bad a Chinese company doesn't come up with a CVT drive similar to the Comet 500 or 94 that is lower in price. IMHO the Comet pieces are way overpriced and the cost to produce is low due to simple stamped construction, etc. Somebody oughta give these guys some competition.

[roverthetop]

smokyjoe-
i think the biggest hurdle with the group order to the US is going to be EPA. these engines are not epa approved, so getting them in the country is going to take some sweet talk to cbp if you can do it at all. rules have recently changed (feb 1). additional costs as well. brokers, ri's, etc. all said and done, my engines here cost me $1200 each. still much better than hatz/ lombardini, but headaches galore. i wouldnt want to be "in charge" of the order and dealing with cbp. maybe do some research with an ri, broker or ici, and see what they say.
just my $.02

[smokyjoe]

frank-
Yes, it can be a problem dealing with people and trusting them, even the best of intentions among close friends can go bad.... (I know from experience!) When I am ready to place my order I'd probably order 2 engines direct, with all the trouble why not deal with the problems only once. Is there any plan for MGS to have a US EPA approved engine available soon?

roverthetop-
Your $.02 is probably worth more than anyone else's twenty dollar bill!
I have not checked the new rules, I guess like anything else if it's something that people enjoy, some darn government "official" will be there to regulate it. But they're still selling 10 MPG smog belching SUV's, the EPA isn't doing a darn thing about that. Or doing anything about all of these bag of wind politicians telling us to conserve while they fly around in their private jets polluting the atmosphere. I don't want me to get started, that's for a different forum!

Anyhow, do you think that further private importation of the "unapproved" small diesels will be stopped altogether? I assume that you imported yours as "for evaluation". I've notived that the "lister clones" from India are being shipped in pieces as "spare parts", I guess that is working for now but the prices have gone up.

Maybe I should just stick with my old Hatz for this bike and look around for a used Kubota or other for the faster bike, or wait for an EPA approved V twin from China in the future? With today's fuel prices I'd think that the US would be the best market in the world for small agricultural and construction equipment diesels and the manufacturers would recognize that.

Ride safe-

[frank715]

Of course, we want to have EPA.
Under recent situation, we can not send more than 10 pcs engine in a shipment.

But the charges of EPA is too expensive. It need USD40000 now.,

In the past almost 3 years, we never receive any container order from US. but we have sent hunreds of samples to US.

We can not earn enough profit for EPA test.

But,in EU, we sold some containers of diesel generator set under this engine, so, we have CE last year.even though CE is very cheap.

Most importantly, we found most US buyers is terminal users, Not wholeseller.

So, The EPA work has no progress until now.



Frank

frank-
Yes, it can be a problem dealing with people and trusting them, even the best of intentions among close friends can go bad.... (I know from experience!) When I am ready to place my order I'd probably order 2 engines direct, with all the trouble why not deal with the problems only once. Is there any plan for MGS to have a US EPA approved engine available soon?

roverthetop-
Your $.02 is probably worth more than anyone else's twenty dollar bill!
I have not checked the new rules, I guess like anything else if it's something that people enjoy, some darn government "official" will be there to regulate it. But they're still selling 10 MPG smog belching SUV's, the EPA isn't doing a darn thing about that. Or doing anything about all of these bag of wind politicians telling us to conserve while they fly around in their private jets polluting the atmosphere. I don't want me to get started, that's for a different forum!

Anyhow, do you think that further private importation of the "unapproved" small diesels will be stopped altogether? I assume that you imported yours as "for evaluation". I've notived that the "lister clones" from India are being shipped in pieces as "spare parts", I guess that is working for now but the prices have gone up.

Maybe I should just stick with my old Hatz for this bike and look around for a used Kubota or other for the faster bike, or wait for an EPA approved V twin from China in the future? With today's fuel prices I'd think that the US would be the best market in the world for small agricultural and construction equipment diesels and the manufacturers would recognize that.

Ride safe-

[roverthetop]

i think that although they (the infamous THEY) may try to regulate smaller diesels more hardcorily (word?) i'm not sure they can. these engines can come in the us as gensets i believe, without difficulty. "evaluation", "agricultural use", "offroad use" are all personal freedoms we can use. i wont get into the nuts and bolts here, but if anyone would like more info, pm me, and we'll ring. ALSO, cbp are not known to be the sharpest tools in the sheds. no offense to any cbp officer, and not that i bring in illegal items, but i have seen what i know to be illegal vehicles coming in the us regularly. (land rover defenders). i do know my landy's (as you'd suspect with my nickname). cbp officers tend to be either good at their job, care, and are pleasant to deal with, or they were kicked out of cop school and are just plain mean. they can stop your shipment at the terminal for no reason, for as long as they want and charge you for it.

enough of my rant...

frank emailed me to ask about the costs i incurred, seeing my final cost at $1200 each. he, as i, was appalled at the end result. i'll break it down for everyone... (all costs are USD $)

costs to MGS (3 units + sea freight)...............$2425 ($735 ea.+$220 ship)
freight forwarder in the US............................ $100
customs broker.............................................$240.53
terminal transfer (loading into my personal pickup)..$65
US customs..................................................$765

now lets keep in mind that cbp deemed it necessary to charge their "normal" duties, fees, etc, BUT i also had to go through an "intensive exam". wtf is that? they didnt really want to tell me. initially i was worried that they would tear the engines apart for me to put back together. not quite. in the end, it would seem that they either did nothing, or maybe x-rayed them, but my crates were undisturbed it seemed. who knows. they are here. i like these engines alot.

i am outside of portland, oregon. if there were people intersted in a group buy, i would be happy to help, but don't be surprised when another bundle o cash need be furnished to grease some palms. portland, seattle, tacoma, doesnt matter to me. i would say get a broker, ri, or ici to do all the work, and i can haul and ship. china to US west coast seems easiest i would think. anyway, more $.02 from a cheap bastard.

and frank, i recieved the part today. i thank you, sir. 谢谢 (i hope that's right)

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In holland you have to pay VAT and customs duty over sale price + shipping + insurance. With electronics it's possible to have stuff shipped as gift or warranty replacement item, so you only have to pay tax over the shipping part.

It requires MGS to put that on the invoice and you are screwed for the engine price if it gets lost and you want to claim insurance. Of course, the invoice should read 0.00$ for the engine.

[frank715]

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Actually, we really can not understand what you said.

Do you want us to place sth into our price?

We have quoted C&F price, it is no problem to add insurence too.

However, what should we do?

Please send us direct instructions.

Thanks

Frank

In holland you have to pay VAT and customs duty over sale price + shipping + insurance. With electronics it's possible to have stuff shipped as gift or warranty replacement item, so you only have to pay tax over the shipping part.

It requires MGS to put that on the invoice and you are screwed for the engine price if it gets lost and you want to claim insurance. Of course, the invoice should read 0.00$ for the engine.

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Perhaps I read the start post wrong, but the picture of the bike is not a portland bike. Just wanted to point that out.

[roverthetop]

you're right. never followed the link til now. he's used my specs though. just thought he'd linked to my pic. apologies. also, i'm pretty sure the punsun i used was 812cc. not 836...?