Hamm 2014 - 12th to 14th Sept

Anorak_ian · Post by **Anorak_ian** » Sun Sep 07, 2014 7:54 pm

Tetronator wrote: Sweet! Even a goldwing doesn't have a kebab shop! Pretty nasty tough. So you joining or does the blown gearbox mean your out of a ride? Also, again?...

Well the gearbox wasn't the first thing to go.
Yet again the battery blew. Replacement Harley battery now 200 quid. This will be the fourth battery that's blown.
So, I'm getting a Harley or Ultima gearbox, and I have capacitors to build a stronger battery, on order from America.
So buggered would be putting it mildly, for the time being anyway.

coachgeo · Post by **coachgeo** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 2:11 am

Anorak_ian wrote:
Tetronator wrote: Sweet! Even a goldwing doesn't have a kebab shop! Pretty nasty tough. So you joining or does the blown gearbox mean your out of a ride? Also, again?...
Well the gearbox wasn't the first thing to go.
Yet again the battery blew. Replacement Harley battery now 200 quid. This will be the fourth battery that's blown.
So, I'm getting a Harley or Ultima gearbox, and I have capacitors to build a stronger battery, on order from America.
So buggered would be putting it mildly, for the time being anyway.

could the two be related? As in could something be vibrating more than a diesel bike typically gets such as missalignment in tranny....... which keeps blowing tranny's and shaking batteries to death? Were they Glass Mat Batteries or Lead Acid?

Anorak_ian · Post by **Anorak_ian** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:55 am

coachgeo wrote:could the two be related? Were they Glass Mat Batteries or Lead Acid?

Yes, the engine has too much compression, the starter motor needs more power than the battery can give on a compression stroke. The occasional bump start, and jump in to gear when kick starting couldn't of helped the gearbox, but on the whole I think there maybe to much torque from the engine for the box to handle. A dog gear split in to many parts at the Big Knock, and an output shaft shattered at the Bulldog Bash.

The answer is more power to the starter motor, and change to a Harley type gearbox.

The battery was a genuine Harley gel, fully charged before the journey.

Tetronator · Post by **Tetronator** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 1:33 pm

Anorak_ian wrote:
coachgeo wrote:could the two be related? Were they Glass Mat Batteries or Lead Acid?
Yes, the engine has too much compression, the starter motor needs more power than the battery can give on a compression stroke. The occasional bump start, and jump in to gear when kick starting couldn't of helped the gearbox, but on the whole I think there maybe to much torque from the engine for the box to handle. A dog gear split in to many parts at the Big Knock, and an output shaft shattered at the Bulldog Bash.

The answer is more power to the starter motor, and change to a Harley type gearbox.

The battery was a genuine Harley gel, fully charged before the journey.

Gel batteries are sensitive to overcharging according to wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VRLA_battery
Might be why it went kebab on you?

Shame tough I was looking forward to seeing as many bikes as I can as I'm still figuring out my own build. Minus one I guess...
Eitherway Harleys are high on torque right? So I'm guessing those boxes will hold.

Post by **Diesel Dave** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 5:21 pm

Ian, bad luck indeed.

I have an Ultima box in the Tiger, they are available in 5 & 6 speed with either direct or overdrive top gear - gives you lots of options.

If cash is tight remember the 4 speed Enfield box could handle the 700 Interceptor's torque output and you can fit a cush drive clutch to soften the blows.

The way I see it, there's no difference between a 400 single and an 800 twin, unless perhaps the twin is slightly easier as it doesn't allow the crank to slow down too much before the next pulse.

Anorak_ian · Post by **Anorak_ian** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 6:42 pm

Diesel Dave wrote:Ian, bad luck indeed.

I have an Ultima box in the Tiger, they are available in 5 & 6 speed with either direct or overdrive top gear - gives you lots of options.

If cash is tight remember the 4 speed Enfield box could handle the 700 Interceptor's torque output and you can fit a cush drive clutch to soften the blows.

The way I see it, there's no difference between a 400 single and an 800 twin, unless perhaps the twin is slightly easier as it doesn't allow the crank to slow down too much before the next pulse.

Hi Dave, A 6 speed genuine overdrive, nice, beats the pants off my wide ratio. That should save some funds on a long journey. Funds are always tight, I'm a tight arse.

I bought a Norton AMC box but I wasn't impressed, it's back on ebay.
I do have a 5 speed Harley box (1340) but it's the wrong type, as it has the alloy molded brackets front and back which makes it way too long. I'm just waiting to find another box or case that bolts from underneath (brake out the welder again, Doh) and that's me sorted (fat chance).
I did try to find out what torque the Interceptor kicked out and at what revs but with no joy. My 954cc engine produces 50nm@2400rpm (max 4000+) no that it matters as I'm determined to change the box anyway. The clutch is belt driven so the shock should be down to a minimum.

Post by **Diesel Dave** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 7:22 pm

Believe me the Interceptor produces a whole heap of torque, outstrips both the Triumph and Norton big twins, it actually hurts your arms.

Remember at the time of it's launch it was the fastest thing on the road.

If you ever open up an Enfield box you will understand why it's so strong, the gears are huge, I spent the extra wedge and added the close ratio gear set as they have a huge gap between 3 & 4.

Post by **Stuart** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 7:54 pm

Jeff & I just in from a pre rally spin out on the Ruggerfield & Tiger. I have fitted a new Shorai battery to the Tiger & disconnected the clock as I think it was the source of a parasitic drain. All good now I hope & will be on the boat Tuesday night

Anorak_ian · Post by **Anorak_ian** » Mon Sep 08, 2014 10:07 pm

Diesel Dave wrote:If you ever open up an Enfield box you will understand why it's so strong, the gears are huge.

Last orders at the bar please gentlemen

I'll have a pint of what ever he's had

The Albion HG gears are chunky, but not as chunky as the (American) Indian Albion (K?) gears. I almost made the mistake of buying one.
I have eight Enfield boxes, six in bits (one broken lol), all waiting to be re-built and put in to bikes. Well that was the plan

Enjoy the journey, safe riding to all.

Post by **Diesel Dave** » Wed Sep 10, 2014 1:32 pm

Up until a few weeks back I had a spare Albion with reverse for a Berkeley T60.

You could have built yourself a nice sidecar outfit with that one Ian, it didn't have the motorcycle shift on it either so you could have stuck with the big lever your fond of.

Tetronator · Post by **Tetronator** » Wed Sep 10, 2014 2:09 pm

Right back on tread here.

Meet up location for the ride trough the Netherlands is directly outside of the ferry. At the 'Hoekse Vishandel'. A fish and chips stall.
https://www.google.nl/maps/@51.9767512, ... !2e0?hl=nl

https://www.google.nl/maps/dir/51.97407 ... !3e0?hl=nl

Leave at about 08:30. I'll be there at about 07:30/07:45.

All tough I'm only expecting Diesel Dave, anyone is allowed to join.

Have a look out for a crazy person standing next to a Honda Shadow VT600, that'll be me!

oldbmw · Post by **oldbmw** » Wed Sep 10, 2014 10:05 pm

I may.... be passing south of you on the road from antwerp to eindhoven and onwards.

oldbmw · Post by **oldbmw** » Thu Sep 11, 2014 9:57 pm

No I wont, drive to alternator failed, only £7 to fix but wont get the parts from UK until next week

Post by **Stuart** » Fri Sep 12, 2014 10:01 am

Good turnout so far and the sun is shining in Hamm

Most pictures going up to our Facebook page visible from the website front page.

Post by **Diesel Dave** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:36 am

Back home safe and sound and yes old sludgy made it all the way under his own steam.

I think he's trying to tell me it's time for a rebuild after...

Exhaust fell off
Charging circuit failed
Rear brake failed
Horn fell off
And finally the tank split on the way home.

Apart from that he's running like a champ

Tetronator · Post by **Tetronator** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:17 am

Glad you made it home Dave. Did you leave a nice stain on the boat?

Here's the clip's I shot at the Rally:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt-scqi ... uR0bTw-l2G

I got one where I'm waving off Dave but it isn't public yet as I didn't know if he minded. Do you Dave?

Post by **Diesel Dave** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:23 am

Doesn't bother me in the least.

There was a pretty big puddle on the deck, I have no idea where it came from ...

Tetronator · Post by **Tetronator** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 12:07 pm

Allright clip is public. It wouldn't have anything to do with a leaky fuel tank now would it?...

oldbmw · Post by **oldbmw** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:04 pm

Diesel Dave wrote:Back home safe and sound and yes old sludgy made it all the way under his own steam.

I think he's trying to tell me it's time for a rebuild after...

Exhaust fell off
Charging circuit failed
Rear brake failed
Horn fell off
And finally the tank split on the way home.

Apart from that he's running like a champ

I found that to be reasonably normal for an Enfield

(awaiting parts for my Triumph)

Post by **Stuart** » Tue Sep 16, 2014 6:26 am

We're taking the slow road home through Namur region. Good to see everyone at Hamm

Post by **Stuart** » Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:16 pm

Just got the report of Hamm up. Best seen on a desktop as the paragraphs align badly on tablets & phones etc: http://www.dieselbike.net/Hamm14/Hamm14.htm

Tetronator · Post by **Tetronator** » Tue Oct 07, 2014 10:10 am

Willy gave us glowing beers!

Doesn't have anything to do with the nearby nuclear powerplant right?

Post by **Stuart** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 8:58 pm

I've just posted an account of our ride and route back from the 2014 rally if anyone's interested

http://www.dieselbike.net/ridehome14/ridehome14.htm

Tetronator · Post by **Tetronator** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 10:20 pm

That was a nice read, thanks.

Redkite · Post by **Redkite** » Mon Feb 09, 2015 8:07 pm

Thanks Stuart/Jeff for the write-up. I'm only sorry I couldn't get to Hamm in 2014.

Post by **Stuart** » Thu Feb 12, 2015 3:14 pm

Cheers Redkite, maybe we'll see you at the Big Knock this year.

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