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This is off topic but I think you will find it quite interesting.

Richard Willis, who lives 325 miles from me in Kitchner Ontario, has developed a device that reportedly generates electricity using magnetsm and *no* moving parts. Last night he received one million dollars CDN seed money on the CBC television show Dragon Net.

The device has been tested by the University of Waterloo. With 12V one amp input, it puts out 12V one hundred (not a mistake) amps. He is taking orders for units. Prices range from $7K CDN for a 2.4Kw unit to $42K CDN for a 57Kw unit.

What's interesting is that a first generation 20Kw unit weighs about 50 lbs.

Lets see how long it takes Big Oil and governments to jail or eliminate him.

I would dump my diesel bike for a bike powered by one of these units.

Lots of info on the internet. Google vorktex or Magnacoaster

Website is http://www.vorktex.ca (some images do not display)
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Not another one!
I hear he gets no money until he proves a device above unity. Energy can be neither created nor destroyed only changed in form, one of the basic laws of physics. There are a queue of charlitans peddling devices similar to this, car that runs on only water and the Steorn device that failed to run in london when put to the public eye. Tell him to put it in a sealed box and run it off its own charging battery and come back to it in a week, I guarantee it will be stopped. Keep plugging with the Diesel.
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Since it´s as basically reversed transformer which normally heats up due it´s work. It shoud produce lots of "negative" heat.


Stopper for global warming?

I doubt it´s a hoax. Big scale one.
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I asked an electronics engineer about this and his reply was:

"Very unlikely that it could work. There needs to be a conductor cutting the magnetic flux. Output would always be less than unity."

Personally, I'd love to see it working. Don't hold out much hope though. You'd have thought anyone able to overcome the problems they have would be able to post pictures to their website wouldn't you?
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As a future diesel bike builder I have been following this discussion forum for quite some time, but with this particular topic I just had to register and throw in my few cents:

Whenever you read in the internet or anywhere else a claim that seems to promise something extraordinary you should keep these two age old statements in mind:

"If it sounds too good to be true it probably is"

and

"You don't get something for nothing"

These work on lots of issues in life, be it salesmen of "wonderful investment opportunities" or hoaxes like this.

The "magnacoaster" or "MEG" or "vacuum energy generator" pops up every few years that claims it can produce more energy than it consumes. The commonality is always that first it is claimed to be "proven" and "validated" by a number of universities and experts, but on closer inspection it really isn't. Never is there a working sample that everyone could check and validate to work nor an explanation of operation that is believable.

There is also the small problem that all these devices are braking the laws of physics, mainly the first law of thermodynamics and conservations of energy.

This "vorktex" has a new twist though, they seem to be selling them, even though the picture of all the different devices seem to be of the same cardboard box. When you think about it, it doesn't make any sense: No one ever been able to create a device that takes a unit of energy in and outputs even a little bit more and this device claims to output hundredfold!!! Don't you think he could sell the patent, idea or device to any energy company for just about anything he would ask? If the device would work, there would be no global warming, no need to burn oil and all energy would be free. The world would be hailing the inventor as the biggest scientist ever and the saviour of the world. EVERYTHING could be powered by this device, everything. And the best part is they would all run for free! Don't you think the patent would be worth like a gizillion dollars?

Sorry for the long rambling post, but these hoaxes really get me worked up. I find it absolutely incredible these people get investors to give them money.

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I apologize for wasting your time and bandwidth on this off topic subject but I have been following this sort of stuff for many years and a couple recent developments, including the Vorktex show much promise because of the principles involved and I wanted to share it with fellow gearheads who can easily and cheaply make demo units.

If you understand how to switch permanent magnets "on and off", as Richard Willis stated, you will understand the basis for the Vorktex. The Richard Willis Vorktex is basically an alternator with an electronic rotor - no moving parts. Here's a snippet from a forum post by Willis several years ago that explains how it works:
...switch the rare earth magnets off (can't do it yet ? pitty) and on by pulsing power in you can break the feilds and let them pull back into the coil and collect the power. use the vortexes on the magnets to your advantage the power comes out fast and it needs to be slowed back down to use it as well as to rectify the power back into a DC feed. AC power in the coils can get as high as 3000 volts you have to use batteries to slow the freqency down to use it or you will melt all the boards.
That's why the Vorktex requires lead acid batteries.

Another highly efficient invention which received a patent in November 2008 is the Hildenbrand motor which uses the same principle - switching magnets on/off.. The patent is very well detailed with excellent diagrams and anyone with a basic understanding of magnetism and basic electricity can learn how the engine works. And yes, Hildenbrand's later prototypes have edged into overunity - results are stated in the patent. There's a PDF file for the patent here:
http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat7453341.pdf

Finally, you probably don't know that the original space boots developed by NASA - "Radus boots", for astronauts were magnetic boots that used this simple principle. For the acceptance tests, an engineer clad as an astronaut walked across the bottom of a steel beam in a high bay research area, upside down against the pull of Earth's gravity. He stepped as he walked, putting his foot "down" and then picking it "up". These boots provided Jack Hildenbrand with the idea for his motor.
To see pictures of the original boots, the upside down engineer and info on how they worked visit:
http://www.cheniere.org/misc/astroboots.htm

Again, sorry for the waste of bandwidth Let's get back to diesel motorcycles.
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No Oilburner keep going I for one really enjoy the topic and well worth discussion.
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Ok then! Continue we will!

I actually took the trouble of reading the patent, as it is well known the US patent office hasn't been taking in patents on perpetual motion machines for quite some time. Keep in mind if the output power would be more or equal to the input power, or "efficiency edged over unity", you'd have a perpetual motion machine. Something mankind has dreamed of for centuries.

The inventor is not claiming directly to have invented a perpetual motion machine. He is patenting a method of switching permanent magnet fields and using electro magnets in a way to do the same. Possibly not very useful, but clearly worth a patent. He is also presenting some measurement results that seem to indicate he is getting more power from his electrical engine that is being input when then engine is loaded. I would claim this shows he does not have theoretical electrical training. Every first year electronics engineering student knows the current an electrical engine draws DROPS when you load it. Unfortunately this is not caused by a mysterious vacuum energy or the spiritual power of mankind, but the energy stored in the magnetic field of the coils. That energy was loaded into the fields during motor startup when the engine drew a lot MORE power then required. Again, you don't get something for nothing. After a while the input current will rise to show the actual input power required which, -you guessed it- is more then the output power.

The quote by Mr Willis also does not sound like something an electrical engineer would write. In fact it doesn't seem to make much sense. 3000V is no problem whatsoever for rectifying and LP filtering. You don't need a led acid battery to do that? I guess you could with the right setup but why??

Don't get me wrong: The people that challenge the norm and experiment with new things believing in themselves are the ones that deserve our admiration and respect. They are often the ones that advance our knowledge and every once in a while come up with something the dusty university types couldn't. However, things change when you start asking for money or selling something.

Of course, I could be wrong. If I am, we know who will get the Nobel price for physics next year! We'll also live in a totally different world in a few years: No need for oil and scientist trying to understand how the laws of physics in this universe were so badly misunderstood.

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Efficiency vs Coefficient of Performance (COP)

It's probably a good idea to clear up one thing before continuing this discussion - the difference between the efficiency and the coefficient of performance. We all know an internal combustion engine is nowhere near 100 percent efficient and its COP is less than 1.0 because there is more energy going in (fuel) than the energy at the crankshaft. Efficiency can never exceed 100 percent. But some devices can have a COP >1.0 i.e. overunity. Richard Willis stated his Vorktex puts out 100 amps for 1 amp input. Here's quote from Tom Bearden, retired Lieutenant Colonel of the US Air Force and physicst, explaining why:
They would also do well to try to find out the difference between efficiency and coefficient of performance of an EM system. No one in his right mind advocates that the EFFICIENCY can be greater than 100%, for that would be a total violation of the conservation of energy law and an assumption that energy can be and is created from nothing at all. But certainly the COP can be greater than 1.0 and often is. COP>1.0 does not violate conservation of energy (contrary to Collins), but does require that the environment input some or all of the energy, so that the operator only inputs less than the effective output of the device.
For example, a heat pump is only about 50 percent efficient but has a seasonal COP of around 4.0 (overunity). Why? Because it gets the extra energy (heat) from the environment i.e. ground source, deep well. The magnetic principles used by the Vorktex enable it to get its extra energy from the environment.

I don't have a comfortable feeling about the business practices surrounding the Vorktex company, but I'm quite sure its reported performance is achievable.

Have a look at this.

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This is the MEG (Motionless Electromagnetic Generator) designed by Tom Bearden and a group of researchers and patented in 2002. This device has produced 100 times more power than was input, the same the Vorktex. It does basically the same thing as the Vorktex except that it doesn't require lead acid batteries. It uses electronics (as it should) to directly convert the energy for use with the output device.

You can download the patent with 5 pages of drawings for the MEG here:

http://www.cheniere.org/references/MEG_Patent.pdf

Here is a link to a 69 page document entitled Extracting Energy from a Permanent Magnet with Energy-Replenishing from the Active Vacuum, with pictures, which explains the workings of the MEG, along with equations and formulas for the mathematicians among us (I'm not one).

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/ ... gpaper.pdf

This is for real folks. Why don't we see any units on the market? I'll give you one guess.
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Interesting information. Steven Greer apparently is getting hold of Stanley Meyers water fueled buggy, so I'm going to be looking on with interest to see if the technology behind it can be reproduced.

I've been playing around with Bedini/Tesla technology myself, no over unity though, but surprising results all the same.

Wonder what the big global elites think about all the alternate technologies being found and produced. I guess they will try and do what they always seem to do! Buy it up and put it away as military technology, not to be released to the public :( !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

Interesting reading all the same.




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COP is different from efficiency, yes. The operation of a heat pump is widely understood and utilized commercially. Anyone with basic knowledge of elementary physics can understand and calculate the theory behind it. No need for mambo jumbo or our friendly aliens on planet Zork to intervene.

But "The magnetic principles used by the Vorktex enable it to get its extra energy from the enviroment"...... like.....from where???

"Dr" Bearden explains it to be from "Active Vacuum". Now it get tricky, as there isn't a Active vacuum anywhere that can be proven. In the link provided is a long and complex explanation that I glanced through. The main idea seems to be there is a "Active Vacuum" all around us, and you can get limitless energy from it anytime, anywhere. And contrary to your statement there is no math in the paper except for one or two formulas without any proofs, just statements made to look fancy.

Keep in mind the main author, Tom Bearden, is a guy who writes books about Russians using mind control, claims all major diseases can be cured by his inventions and such. His "PhD" is from a university that operates from a post office box in Indiana, no staff, no buildings. He claimed of the MEG generator "commercial equipment will be rolling down the production lines in about a year".... That was in 2001.... Suddenly he was in need for another 10-11 million dollars to make it happen... BTW, he doesn't have the working model of the MEG anymore for anyone to study. How convenient.

Then good news: This will be my last post on this subject. My next posting will be of my recent experiments, not about active vacuum, but Winsun twin diesel engines! A lot happier subject we can all agree on!

I will leave you with this thought: The world and especially the internet is full of all kinds of material, some of it true some of it not. The more out of norm the information seems to be, the more likely it's a hoax. This might not hold for everything, but the more outrageous it sounds like, the more proof you should require. Do remember that in the internet the responsibility for truth lies with the reader, not the writer. YOU must understand what is claimed, YOU must decide if it is true. Don't be blinded by someone claiming to be a doctor, or having a patent on something. In the end, YOU have to decide.

There will always be people who believe JFK was killed by the government, there will always be people who believe in bigfoot and there will always be people who claim to have been abducted by aliens in a spaceship with probes shoved up their behinds. This, however, does not mean it actually happened. Maybe you can drive buggies with just water as fuel, maybe there is a MEG machine that works somewhere, but only believe it when you see it.

I wouldn't hold my breath.

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copy that sno-bro! Twins rules!
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This stuff interests me too, but as a former electrical/electronic engineer I look at all these things with the eye of a skeptic- but I will always read about these "discoveries" with interest. But I really get turned off when the need of "donations" or "investors" is put to print. Does anyone remember a guy, I think named Brown? from the US who had a "coil" or "energy machine" that when energized by a small 9 volt transistor battery would light a string of 100 watt bulbs for hours seemingly using many more watt-hours of energy than the little battery possesed. It used static coils and magnets. This was before the internet caught hold. But of course I've never seen it work myself, and it disappeared into the blue (or was it a black hole?) and is now seemengly being "revived" by someone else in the aforementioned Vorktex thing.

Patents never impress me as I have seen many patents lately for commonly known "prior art" devices that passed muster in the US system, and a patent is no guarantee that something will work. These official patent examiners are overworked and often out of their field of expertise, at least on this side of the pond. Do you realize that a company has recently patented the mixing of colored light from red, blue, and green LEDs to "make" different colors? That patent has scared a number of manufacturers into paying them a royalty rather than spending millions on lawyers to fight it.

There is a local guy, Scuderi, http://www.scuderi.com ,who has an "engine", a non-running plastic model in a glass case was recently unveiled before a group of awe-struck investors who had more money than high-school Physics knowledge. This is an internal combustion engine that is supposed to be many fold more efficient than the present engines, and is being looked at by Honda and others. It uses a piston to charge the combustion cylinder as some patents of over 100 years ago. The reason a working model hasn't been built yet is that some new "material technologies" need to be developed. The one material I see that is in abundance with this is BS.

Someone should write a book about all these schemes, I'd buy that.
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As an electronics Techy this stuff also interests me but like you say, you gotta be careful :wink: I read something about a guy who developed this pill that he dropped into sea water and turned it into a Diesel substitute. Apparently it was demonstrated before the US navy? All invloved disappeared soon after :D but not in a cloud of black smoke :lol:
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smokyjoe wrote: There is a local guy, Scuderi, http://www.scuderi.com ,who has an "engine", a non-running plastic model in a glass case was recently unveiled before a group of awe-struck investors who had more money than high-school Physics knowledge. This is an internal combustion engine that is supposed to be many fold more efficient than the present engines, and is being looked at by Honda and others. It uses a piston to charge the combustion cylinder as some patents of over 100 years ago. The reason a working model hasn't been built yet is that some new "material technologies" need to be developed. The one material I see that is in abundance with this is BS.

Someone should write a book about all these schemes, I'd buy that.

Now, now, if Scuderi can't get a split cycle engine to work doesn't mean no one can. Here is one that works: http://www.tourengine.com/

What Scuderi did wrong is trying to do braking recuperation in the engine itself, storing air compressed by the engine's own compressor in a tank. That overcomplicates his design needlessly and might be a reason why he's never got a working engine.

Split cycle on and of itself is a pretty much sound idea - gets you two-stroke power-per-weight while remaining four-stroke in (almost) everything else, allows your engine to run hotter (within materials' constrains, of course) and the compression cycle to be run way cooler than an engine can, by separating those. And then, the variable expansion-to-compression ratio - imagine this engine as a diesel. The efficiency of it...
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