cold starting
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cold starting
Hi everyone,
Yesterday i had a visitor with a new 'export connection' diesel enfield with the 4-- greaves engine.
He had some trouble with it but the main thing was the skill of the proper kickstarting technique. With the present outside temp. about 4 degrees Celcius, it starts with a single kick.
My china 418 single nowadays needs several kicks (i don't know for sure if it had the same issues last winter) The compression feels fine, valve play is okay. after almost 30. K, the perormance is better then ever.
Could it be due to a mild contamintion of the injection needle???
even spraying odorex in the air filter chamber won't work anymore. maybe i will make a hole and plug in the inlet manifold for direct spraying.
(spraying deodorant into the air intake of the engine made a cold start with pure veggie oil possible and smelly this summer)
Yesterday i had a visitor with a new 'export connection' diesel enfield with the 4-- greaves engine.
He had some trouble with it but the main thing was the skill of the proper kickstarting technique. With the present outside temp. about 4 degrees Celcius, it starts with a single kick.
My china 418 single nowadays needs several kicks (i don't know for sure if it had the same issues last winter) The compression feels fine, valve play is okay. after almost 30. K, the perormance is better then ever.
Could it be due to a mild contamintion of the injection needle???
even spraying odorex in the air filter chamber won't work anymore. maybe i will make a hole and plug in the inlet manifold for direct spraying.
(spraying deodorant into the air intake of the engine made a cold start with pure veggie oil possible and smelly this summer)
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Yesterday in our local supermarket diesel 99.9 centimes litre.sbrumby wrote:I agree messing about with vegy is ok for an expriment. But as real diesel is about 107 a litre, and most of that is tax,against 120 a litre for the cheapest veg with no tax then what is the point.
Sadly red diesel ( heating oil) 93 centimes a litre, so we mostly use wood
petrol 105.9 centinmes litre Both euro centimes.
Larry
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Larry your heating oil seems high do the french put tax on it? chck out
http://www.boilerjuice.com/heatingOilPrices.php
http://www.boilerjuice.com/heatingOilPrices.php
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Nope, it does not seem high, it is highsbrumby wrote:Larry your heating oil seems high do the french put tax on it? chck out
http://www.boilerjuice.com/heatingOilPrices.php
It can be had cheaper if you buy in quantity, such as 500 or 1000 litres at a time. but we use maybe 150-200 litres a year ( including the Tractor).
We have a gas cooker also, and our heating is mostly wood fired stoves.
Note, in France heating oil is red diesel 35 deg, which was quite aproblem as I had intended to install an oil fired Rayburn, but they use kerosene 28 deg.
This is why I ended up with a french equivalen range cooker.
I am planting out a woods to coppice for firewood and hope to be a net exporter of firewood. Bythat time I will have constructed a large range cooker to run on wood. Electricity here in France is cheap ( 77% nuclear) cheaper than the UK in 2001. In those days fuel oil was 17p a litre in quantity in the UK.
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I know this is going of the bikes a bit, but I have a bit of experience with heating, started off with AGA solid fuel, load of junk, changed to multifueled boiler, very good but this would burn 350lbs or 159kg of wood in a 12hour period, it kept you warm just keeping it going, the 12hour nights it had to be out. But as the wood was free it just had to be collected. Wood is OK but it is a relatively low grade fuel that is very labour intensive. ( felling with a chainsaw, logging with circular saw, splitting with hydraulic ram then storeing for 12 months) So I wish you well with your venture it will certainly keep you fit.
Sam
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Sam: we have a Coalbrookdale Darby heating our home now, and burn anthracite, which is relatively inexpensive here in NY. We love the thing and were looking for a solid fuel cooker to put in the kitchen, using anthracite. Web wisdom has it that the AGA solid fuel were the best at that game and you've drawn my attention. I'm about to committ to having one of them reenamelled and shipped - not a trivial undertaking. We don't have solid fuel cookers here and I'll have to assemble and maintain it myself (what a contraption!). I'd like to have your comments.
We're burning cherry and apple from a local orchard in the Darby now, while temps are over about 5*C. The coal goes in when we need the 4th and 5th gear in heating. We have stoves here as versatile, but nothing as beautiful. Of course, they stopped making them.
"Wood boilers" have a nasty reputation for producing enormous smoke ('cold' fire) and gobbling heaps of wood. Many towns are banning them here.
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Sam: we have a Coalbrookdale Darby heating our home now, and burn anthracite, which is relatively inexpensive here in NY. We love the thing and were looking for a solid fuel cooker to put in the kitchen, using anthracite. Web wisdom has it that the AGA solid fuel were the best at that game and you've drawn my attention. I'm about to committ to having one of them reenamelled and shipped - not a trivial undertaking. We don't have solid fuel cookers here and I'll have to assemble and maintain it myself (what a contraption!). I'd like to have your comments.
We're burning cherry and apple from a local orchard in the Darby now, while temps are over about 5*C. The coal goes in when we need the 4th and 5th gear in heating. We have stoves here as versatile, but nothing as beautiful. Of course, they stopped making them.
"Wood boilers" have a nasty reputation for producing enormous smoke ('cold' fire) and gobbling heaps of wood. Many towns are banning them here.
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I will try to explain about the AGA, which is revered here, but when you know about them they reveal something different. The solid fuel AGA is basically an inner barrel an outer barrel, two cast iron ovens, cast front cast top, tin sides and tin back. Because they burn only smokless fuel the inner barrel runs at 1400 degC 24 hours a day 365 days a year. To withstand this they are made from 50% cast 50% stainless. Inner and outer barrel last aprox 4years and are expensive, about £900 20years ago. The water boiler is just a box with a curved inner surface is just bolted to the outer barrel. The whole thing is filled with vermiculite. Hope this helps.
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I accept some of what you say, but have been living in France now for seven years with only wood burning stoves for heating.sbrumby wrote:I know this is going of the bikes a bit, but I have a bit of experience with heating, started off with AGA solid fuel, load of junk, changed to multifueled boiler, very good but this would burn 350lbs or 159kg of wood in a 12hour period, it kept you warm just keeping it going, the 12hour nights it had to be out. But as the wood was free it just had to be collected. Wood is OK but it is a relatively low grade fuel that is very labour intensive. ( felling with a chainsaw, logging with circular saw, splitting with hydraulic ram then storeing for 12 months) So I wish you well with your venture it will certainly keep you fit.
We use Villager stoves as they are genuinly designed for wood. They have no lower grill for air or ash disposal. but a firebrick lined combustion chamber with regulated air admitted from above. The big one in the lounge will easily run for over 15 hours on a couple of decent sized logs ( say +6" diam 50cm long). The wood had to be dry. Expect that to take two years. We used to run three fires through the winter and used roughly ( very roughly, depends on severity of the winter) 17 steres ( cu metres of wood) This has been significantly reduced by switching the kitchen over to an oil burner (it will happily burn filtered used lube oil ) I probably have about 50 stere of cut firewood in the barn with a large reserve on the 'hoof' as pollard oak trees which are mostly well overdue for pollarding again. Currently planting out about 3 acres of mixed wood. theory here is when I am too old to wield a chainsaw, some lad from the village will put 20 stere of cut wood in my barn for me, and cart off 20-30 stere for his trouble. (probably yeild 50 stere per year on a 12-14 year rotation). This will give me free heating forever, and my grandchildren. The cooking stove would be a true wood burner, and the secret of them is to have a proper firebrick lined combustion chamber, and to use wood of a sufficient size to not need constant attention. Most ( probably all) commercial wood burning stoves for cooking do not meet either requirement.
After my initial 3 acres I may continue to plant more coppice trees eleswhere to possibly generate income, , for somebody even if not me
AS for consumption, the big fire burns 5 wheel barrowfuls of wood each week. 10 barrows to the stere when running 24/7.
Larry
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I remember seeing something like that on the UK show - Planet mechanics.
Hard starting can be a pain, I've been told not to use a starting aid on these small singles, I guess the stronger 3cyl engines can. Veggie oil seems to be hard to fire up in cold weather. I don't really get the temps experienced in the UK etc, so starting has never been a problem.
That hemp idea sounds like a good one Stuart. I was once told to use hair spray, now that raised an eyebrow and not from the spray either .
Hard starting can be a pain, I've been told not to use a starting aid on these small singles, I guess the stronger 3cyl engines can. Veggie oil seems to be hard to fire up in cold weather. I don't really get the temps experienced in the UK etc, so starting has never been a problem.
That hemp idea sounds like a good one Stuart. I was once told to use hair spray, now that raised an eyebrow and not from the spray either .
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Apologies, Arnaud. But, we're solid fuel cooker deprived here in the States and I couldn't help but jump on the Sam's mention. The injector pops right out on the yanmars to have it checked, just keep track of the shims, etc. The fuel pipe from the pump is pretty long. Could it be leaking a bit or require a few kicks to get back up to pressure?
Sam: 900 pounds!!! I'm familiar with the eccentric construction - barrel, vermiculite, threaded rods, rotary riddler, etc. I'll have to confirm the cost of the barrel. That's rough.
oldbmw: heating and cooking combined, with wood are tough - just not enough heat. See: http://www.woodheat.org/dhw/dhw.htm for one ugly, but optimal Canadian creation.
The proper way to burn wood for heat is a masonry heater, like www.tulikivi.com. A friend heats his home with a pail of scrap wood in the morning and another in the evening. Remarkable.
Sam: 900 pounds!!! I'm familiar with the eccentric construction - barrel, vermiculite, threaded rods, rotary riddler, etc. I'll have to confirm the cost of the barrel. That's rough.
oldbmw: heating and cooking combined, with wood are tough - just not enough heat. See: http://www.woodheat.org/dhw/dhw.htm for one ugly, but optimal Canadian creation.
The proper way to burn wood for heat is a masonry heater, like www.tulikivi.com. A friend heats his home with a pail of scrap wood in the morning and another in the evening. Remarkable.
Our Canadian stoves might not win any beauty contests, but they kept millions of us from freezing to death in winter. In the 1950's our family had a Findlay similar to the below. On the right is a 10 gallon hot water tank. In later years, we installed what was known as a hot water front in the firebox that was plumbed to the water pump and a tank located behind the stove. Heating was thermo syphon. Our stove was appliance white and black. In the picture the wire rack on the wall to the left is a toaster. The stove consumed about 5 cords of wood a year (12 months). 1 cord = 4ft X 4ft X 8ftoldbmw: heating and cooking combined, with wood are tough - just not enough heat. See: http://www.woodheat.org/dhw/dhw.htm for one ugly, but optimal Canadian creation.
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