Hello from the Netherlands.

BertTrack · Post by **BertTrack** » Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:07 am

Hi I'm Bert with the Track that came over for the Big Knock form the South of the Netherlands.

Post by **Stuart** » Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:13 am

Hi Bert

Thanks for bringing your bike over to the rally

I hope you enjoyed the event & the others bikes there.

Big_Willy_USA · Post by **Big_Willy_USA** » Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:18 am

: Bert?

Would this be you Bert?

BertTrack · Post by **BertTrack** » Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:41 am

Aye that'd be me!

I loved the rally. My first ever of the sort. And i'm going to try and do more of these. And not just for the bailey's.

Big_Willy_USA · Post by **Big_Willy_USA** » Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:08 am

BertTrack wrote:Aye that'd be me!

I loved the rally. My first ever of the sort. And i'm going to try and do more of these. And not just for the bailey's.

That's GREAT! I realized on my ride home that I'd just had dinner with someone and I couldn't remember their name, how embarrassing. Oh well, I'm glad you helped me close the loop. I'll be headed over your way at least once before my assignment is complete. We should grab a beer.

Post by **Dan J** » Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:29 pm

Hello there Bert. Was good to meet you at the Big Knock - I'm Dan, the one with the (petrol) V-Strom who was chatting to you into the darkness about your Track (and being forced to drink Baileys by Ola) on the Friday night.

The Hamm rally 7-9 September is also excellent and well worth a visit so hope to see you there.

Cheers, Dan

Post by **Crazymanneil** » Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:35 pm

Hi, it was great to meet you Bert.

Neil

BertTrack · Post by **BertTrack** » Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:12 am

Big_Willy_USA wrote:
BertTrack wrote:Aye that'd be me!

I loved the rally. My first ever of the sort. And i'm going to try and do more of these. And not just for the bailey's.
That's GREAT! I realized on my ride home that I'd just had dinner with someone and I couldn't remember their name, how embarrassing. Oh well, I'm glad you helped me close the loop. I'll be headed over your way at least once before my assignment is complete. We should grab a beer.

You're welcome to come on over. Maybe i can show you some nice riding places here. Depending on what you're looking for.

Post by **Diesel Dave** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:44 am

You're welcome to come on over. Maybe i can show you some nice riding places here. Depending on what you're looking for.

You may wish to treat offers like this from the Netherlands with a little caution.....

Nah - it's a seriously chilled out place and flat as my first girlfriends chest

Big_Willy_USA · Post by **Big_Willy_USA** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 5:12 am

Diesel Dave wrote:
You're welcome to come on over. Maybe i can show you some nice riding places here. Depending on what you're looking for.
You may wish to treat offers like this from the Netherlands with a little caution.....

Nah - it's a seriously chilled out place and flat as my first girlfriends chest

Coming from Illinois? Really? How much flatter can it get? Besides, I bet they at least have CURVES in the Netherlands...

Post by **Diesel Dave** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 5:29 am

Oh Yeah!

zarquon · Post by **zarquon** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:33 am

And they also have a queen and they will celebrate her as well!

Crown Princess von Iam sterdam auf Flickr

Sphere · Post by **Sphere** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:02 am

Note how we also have perfectly normal specimens like Bert, that don't look like they escaped from an assisted living facility.

rednorfolk · Post by **rednorfolk** » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:25 pm

bert

...hello from sean

good times at the big knock, lots of fun .

BertTrack · Post by **BertTrack** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:56 pm

Hi Sean nice to see you here too.

Loads of fun!

Big_Willy_USA · Post by **Big_Willy_USA** » Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:49 am

Diesel Dave wrote:Oh Yeah!

NICE!!!! Dave! I love it!

BertTrack · Post by **BertTrack** » Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:16 pm

Here's an update on my person and my bike.

As everyone should know by now the producer of my motorcycle has put itself on hold. They also issued a statement that the cooling fan that is hung through the radiator with tie-rips can cause a leak in the radiator. (movement of fan against aluminium liquid channels of the radiator) So it's best not to ride it.

Yeah. Right. So thinking back at how many times i've had the cooling fan switch on. And the temperatures i've seen on the dail. I discussed the topic with a good motorcycle and engines friend. We came to the conclusion that keeping an eye on the temp gauge should do nicely without any fan at all.

To paint the picture:
The thing is that with my bike the temperature sensor is set in the line that goes towards the radiator. About 3/4 of the way between thermostat housing and radiator. If that begins to show any heat it's because my thermostat has begun opening. Yay! And only when that temperature begins to climb over full opening temperature of the thermostat do i need to pay attention.
The radiator has it's entry and exit on the left. The coolant circulates through it top left to right to bottom left. And in the top right corner is the fan switch.

My experience so far is that i've never seen temperatures over 76c in the line towards the radiator. So i'm going to keep on being a happy diesel rider. (so far the update on me)

Rhynri · Post by **Rhynri** » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:55 pm

Sounds like a neat bike. I wouldn't mind one, but the price is waaaaaaay steep for what you get, even if it is a complete unit.

espe · Post by **espe** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:18 am

Rhynri wrote:Sounds like a neat bike. I wouldn't mind one, but the price is waaaaaaay steep for what you get, even if it is a complete unit.

No it isn't. It is amazing that such revolutionary bikes could be build for this price at such low quantities. Guys like Eric stick their necs out, only to get it chopped off by these kind of unfounded remarks

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You wanna talk expensive? Try Harley!
Nothing personal though Rhynri

Sphere · Post by **Sphere** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:34 am

Most people have a hard time disinguishing between stuff that costs a lot of money and stuff that is expensive.

Rhynri · Post by **Rhynri** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:07 pm

It wasn't a personal attack, but the truth. UK£ 15,995 = 25,088.16 USD. That bike costs more than my 2.0 TDI powered VW Jetta, which has a dual clutch gearbox. This bike not only costs more than a Can-Am Spyder RS (and some of the Touring versions with trailer), but also costs more than a fully optioned Honda Goldwing or BMW's priciest Touring bike. Unless I am mistaken, can't you buy a diesel Smart car and the Tiger to put the engine in for less?

Beyond that you have the drivetrain as a wear part, fewer MPG than the Smart Tiger, and also fewer MPG than my first bike (which averaged 85MPG), a Kawi 250R... which was faster and weighs less. I don't know if this is due to the CVT, but the goal is affordable transportation! You could buy a 250R new with all the gear to ride and a year's insurance for the taxes on the track.

We want diesel powered bikes for the masses, do we not? Hit 10-15$ USD and now we are talking. Hit 8k$ and you have a best-seller on your hands. Would I own a Track if I could? Of course. It's a great bike from the looks of things. But every drop of gas that 250R will burn in the lifetime of three engines (180,000 miles, engines are about 650$) plus the engines, all maintainence, tires, and insurance are still just over half the cost of the Track's list. Heck, the gas over the lifetime of my Fj1200 (at 45mpg and 200k miles) plus maintainence (which you could easily do yourself) and probably tires would still cost you less. And those figures are 4$/gal, not the 3.25$ I put into my car currently, UK per liter prices nonwithstanding.

@ Sphere = Google tells me: ex·pen·sive /ikˈspensiv/ Adjective: Costing a lot of money. What definition are you using? If the definition is "not an option for the average motorcyclist", that works too. Also, I said the price was steep.

espe · Post by **espe** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:06 pm

Spoken like a true consumer Rhynri!
With these kind of comparisons you wont get annywere. Dieselbike for the masses? Personally I don't beleive in that. And why should a dieselbike be cheaper than gasoline bikes? You've lost me on that.
No big bike manufacturer dears to undertake this adventure. They say the age of pioneers has gone. But personally I like pioneers. And if I had the money to buy a new bike it would defenitly be a Track. It costs less here in Holland though. Around 17.000 Euro. And I would buy it driven by emotion, not economic calculations.
But he, that's me! I like dieselbike's for what they are, not for the fuelsavings they might bring.

Rhynri · Post by **Rhynri** » Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:28 pm

Spoken like someone on a budget, espe!

I realize my reply came off a little snarky, but my initial statement was true, and I feel much the same about Harleys as you, no need for such grave insults!

My comparison was not to say a dieselbike should be cheaper than a petrol bike. I was pointing out that it's price eclipsed the entire ownership cost over the lifetime of several vehicles, and outpaces some of the most expensive touring bikes out there, qualifying my statement that the price is relatively steep for what you get. You might say you would buy it driven buy emotion, but I am military, and am not paid well enough to not consider cost. To me, a dieselbike must offer some tangible benefit over a bike such as the FJ1200 that I would otherwise purchase, even if I'm building it. I'm willing to pay right up to about 15k$ at the very most for it, but it would need to be the perfect diesel bike. (or you know, one I built or helped to build, that being perfect for me!

) Even the Telegraph reviews the Track as "Verdict: The best-ever oil-burning bike, but it’s still too expensive."

Sorry, I'm practical like that. I'm not interested in a bike just for the look-at-me (well, listen to me in this case) factor. Judging by the MPG threads and the the fact that the first question after a successful build is often on that exact subject, I would say a large concern on this forum (and by extension diesel bike owners) is mileage.

espe · Post by **espe** » Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:32 pm

O.k Rhynri, point taken. Maybe I came on a bit to strong as well. But you know, I just want so badly for some dieselbike producer to succeed! I have really taken it badly that Track was forced to halt the production

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Rhynri · Post by **Rhynri** » Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:42 pm

I completely understand that. I wished them well as well, because over time the price would drop. Seeing one successful diesel bike would lead other manf. to make their own. IF I could possibly afford one I would be driving it at the moment. Maybe we can persuade HDL to part from their diesel lump for a reasonable price. Or one of us win the lottery and make a business building diesel ADV bikes with licensed Smart diesels!

espe · Post by **espe** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:41 am

Wouldn't that be something! I think I'm gonna buy a lottery ticket this month

BertTrack · Post by **BertTrack** » Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:59 pm

I believe we have a track thread somewhere for this?

BertTrack · Post by **BertTrack** » Fri Nov 23, 2012 7:19 pm

An update:

I've tried my Track without the torque feedback. And this resulted in lower rpm's but more slippage even at low speeds assoon as i increased the power a little. With not enough belt grip to go over 95km/hr aprox.

I'm now inclined to believe that the torque feedback part is needed to prevent to a degree some belt slippage (not all is prevented).

The battery an Odysee PC680 is barely alive. It failed a battery test and that will explain why i've been having so many problems. (No matter how long i ride it won't hold much of a load)
I'm getting some parts to refresh the battery according to Odysee's spec. Curious if it'll work.

Rhynri · Post by **Rhynri** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:43 pm

hey bert, what is the function of the torque feedback? Or, if you have it in another thread, please do link that in here!

BertTrack · Post by **BertTrack** » Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:46 pm

https://www.dieselbikeforum.com/view ... =41&t=2372

There's the thread.

Removing the helix from the secondary cvt disables the tightening of the secondary spring when a load is applied.

The helix aplies more force on the secondary cvt spring when load is on the cvt. This grips the belt harder (for more power) but also counters the primary cvt action. It can even cause a down shift. While having the same rpm but a bigger load.

So running without the helix cause slippage to occur whenever i went over 10 hp on the secondary cvt.

I have first thought about changing the cvt helix but i think that will only result in more slip than i already have. So for the time being i'm leaving the cvt as is.

On the up side the Track is running as well as ever now. With a double refresh course of electrons having passed the battery it's now much more potent. It's still not loading as much due to the voltage regulator but that is something for the future.

The new belt is holding up. I'm still tentative about putting too much power on it. There are plans in the making to try and make the life easier on the secondary cvt.

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